talk Andrew Grippo, Marcelo Corti and Mauricio Corbalan.
Rallyconurbano / Basurama. Wednesday March 18, 2009. Costanera Norte, next to the Holy Land, close to the Aeroparque Jorge Newbery.
Marina Zuccon: We want to introduce our first guest called Andrew Grippo, swordsman and social communicator ... Andrew Grippo
: Well I said I brought a survey done by the University of Salvador in August last year about the relationship of people with their waste and preferred to bring the survey and any officer, any of the City Government. I would like to read the results, and then discuss the reasons for these results ...
C: And what neighborhoods ... there was a specific place or ...?
AG: It was in the Capital and Greater Buenos Aires one thousand families, so it looks like it is fairly representative: I read some results ... 87 percent of households in the city of Buenos Aires today have household collection services waste and that 82 percent of people said they were very satisfied or satisfied with your waste collection service and the time in which we collect waste ... Well, all these families in Buenos Aires only 16 percent of people currently classified waste, or separating recyclable waste or organic reusable and unusable. Or is that 85 percent of people not currently classified waste, takes the bag with everything you eat as is. 63 percent of the people ... pass a plane passing noise pollution ... well 63 percent of people are willing to sort waste in the future ... (but) there is 10 percent that did not classify their waste in any way.
B: Not if you give money ..
AG: Not if you do give some advantage.
77 percent of people say they do not have enough information to separate the waste: the problem is that he knows how. And 70 percent do not know that there are advantages in separating the waste and remove them separately.
What excuse if you are not to separate? A 27 percent misinformation, 25 percent argue that it is uncomfortable or not interested or it is the responsibility of others and not the neighbor. 20 percent argue that it is lack of time, space or resources, and a 16 percent separation is not mandatory.
In what has to do with what happens with the waste once it left the bag in the corner, container or door of the building they live in a pool, only 30 percent did list a handling mechanism when you go away from our homes ...
B : Can you repeat?
AG: A 30 percent can list a mechanism, at least one treatment mechanism of waste disposal, such as we saw today. 63 percent do not have the slightest idea of \u200b\u200bwhat happens when garbage goes, when the board the truck, no one does, if it burns, if it is buried, nothing.
D: mmm
AG: 67 percent or so of people do not know where landfills, those who know what landfills are not ... know where they are located where they are installed ... that in the federal capital. In the province of Buenos Aires are closer to almost 80 percent do know where they are located.
B: I smell ...
AG: Because the smell, of course ...
D: mmm
AG: The biggest complaint of the people against the landfill is its proximity to urban centers. With this complaint that are near urban centers most of the people who say that this is the big problem is capital, where there are no landfills. And he blamed the landfill as the main problem? ... Well, 60 per cent said complains which is close to urban centers, 14 percent can cause infection and cause ecological damage, the 11 percent by odors, and 6 percent by the outbreak of diseases. Or is that the worst of the landfill would be around ... To work up some options this pollster, gave some options of where they should be located landfills within that 60 percent of people said the problem was that they were near cities. And the answers were that it should be located: in the field, inside, in the south, at sea or in the delta.
D: jajjajaja
AG: Well well ... here are some conclusions but I would like we bring them out ...
Daniel Prieto: Who commissioned the study?
AG: The Universidad del Salvador ... It is not commissioned by the city or anything. Employment.
DP: So is an independent work but behind it is as if you have an idea ... When someone tries to learn something or some reality is that attempts to respond to ...
AG: So here are the conclusions that do not want read (laughs), so that we remove ourselves and we have no reason to have the same conclusions as did the one who did the work ...
E: Are students in the faculty?
AG: Yes
E: Is it a practical?
AG: Yes
C: What was a matter?
AG: Yeah, yeah, yeah ...
F: What was the matter?
AG: No, I have that figure ... I know it's engineering faculty ...
Rubén Lorenzo, the survey reveals little information of what happens to it once in the street, no? On the one hand why does no sorting at source? why not working? that only the cardboard is the only separating, then why the state is not able to take this separation? I find it that interesting because we saw a place where the greatest concentration of the waste here in Buenos Aires, which ends up being landfill, which everything is there and nothing is returned to the cycle.
AG: Here are a few things. One is why not separate? and the other is that nobody knows what happens to their waste when they leave the door of his house. So, are fully related in so much that people do not separate because they have no conscience, he knows not what happens to their waste ...
Benjamin Castro: Or maybe the current situation can not separate it because she knows what happens to waste, because he knows that although separated end up going all the papers ...
AG: but you could do ...
C: It seems logical that people do not separate if there is no collection system ...
AG: Well today we can say that there is an informal system of separation, which is that of the cardboard, in which one could relate directly to the cartonero neighbor today you could interact directly with the material and give cartonero separately
D: mmm
F: Here too there a matter of dedication because cartonero maybe a neighbor would say I need this type of material and then would not have separated so things ... ... that would be the responsibility of the State that does ...
C: There is another thing ... the pickers are not well regarded by the population of the city
AG: Well, here we go
C: So when I'm cartonero you ring the bell, you did not open the door, then, I never I can tell you that interests me, so I'm not interested ...
H: Is that one of the biggest problems we see is that behind the trash is a big business tell big business where the State argued, even, well, this management itself, if coupled by the ton, which is the form that comes together to make it more profitable for the company that meeting. And there is an interest group very strong, very powerful, which skews a lot of state policies (noise) ... this is a function of prevention campaigns, the largest campaign that ensued in the management was "Clean Juga" was framed throw trash in the baskets and not on the problem of how to recycle ...
AG: Focusing on the "clean" rather than waste management.
B: (interrrumpido) with the image of cleaning
H: There is a view of public policies that go to an aesthetic, "which is clean, the city", no matter what, it still seems to me the other side and that the city is clean according to the company that is a big deal about garbage. They said in the CEAMSE, "us, we pay per ton"
D: mmm
H: Well here in the city had a terrible dispute whether it was a ton or if it is gathered and clean, which was a mechanism "sociario" ("+ social solidarity?), which had social audit, which had control mechanisms, which could become interesting in terms of a cultural change must be sought, ie waste is not something you do not want to see, but something that we face, take care ...
AG: Well open discussion about twenty fronts at the same time, pear ... I mean is this: do not know what happens to it when it leaves the door of our house is not just the government making or this administration or any previous efforts that make the waste in an aesthetic problem, cleaning and hygiene. This is a matter of years, people can not see well to the cardboard as a matter of hygiene ...
H: Well, I work with the rubbish, the problem is that cardboard is a social sector that took place, which appears in the public arena after the 2001 crisis in Argentina, that there was no alternative, they had no alternative but to seek a laburo in revolver, together, together I say things to be done for a wage.
C: knowledge is a matter of social, economic and environmental state (noise) do not see them ... do not see ...
AG: If one of those do not know, seems to me now is getting used a little more to the relationship with cartonero, but it's not just the government, the media, neighbors, all have turned away in a hygiene problem. You can turn on the radio, not so much now, but four or five years ago and spend hours listening as journalists said "that this corner is dirty, why is that dirty." It is always "that dirty" is not disputed what happens to it after leaving home.
C: And ... sorry, these citizens have heard little or ecological responsibility is ... what we were talking trash now ... is every citizen ...
AG: The general idea is that my responsibility ends when I leave the bag at the door. (Noise) that is thought by most people, we do not get that one exquisite shopping for the store and choose the product of smaller container to avoid generating waste
C, F: Nooo ....
AG: We have yet to understand what happens with the waste we generate before thinking of reducing what we buy.
C: Sure, but to think that one must think that the city has responsibility in this regard (noise)
DP: It is now all that matters to people who take the trash to the street is that your home is not smell bad, and no matter in which a large chain implies that little incident ...
AG: And that is why they ended the problem ... but just do not know if anyone here is ... having one week of cardboard boxes, empty glass bottles at home but I get a moment, the fourth day my wife told me the bag or bags or go you. Take those cartons, newspapers ...
B: jejej
AG: That is two weeks of daily, all accommodated in the living room is starting to be much ...
F: Also for me depends on the neighborhoods because what you said recently that was an informal system, it is true, my parents in Coleraine give the cardboard carton. Separate, but give the pickers and suppose to be recycled. Almagro I sort garbage and building manager after mixing, where I spoke a moment but did not give me ball and I also started to mix well because if he mixed ... (noise) Not that I believe that the State has to be put in everything but it should have a certain formality in how to manage ...
AG: Well is now trying to make a formalization
RL: only now we are going to shed the Ceibo, a cooperative that works in Palermo Cartoneros
BC: The question is whether it formalizes the separation of the waste if it is for the better .... is not guaranteed to be for the better. ... and also the possible consequences ... why I think I can, not for better ... not saying you have to be necessarily so ... I mean there is that danger, starting because there is a 16 per cent of people according to the survey that separates ... and actually .... the formal treatment that is given away does not break anything, except as explained Gustavo, 30 people per floor, 6 plants, as with most social function where you really have the impact on the level of waste is minimal. If you suddenly formalizes the separation of garbage, but the government does not assume and develop an infrastructure to give exit to the separation of garbage, then they are complicating the work ...
AG: A level infrastructure here are managing the construction of plants separation (noise)
H: Only cartoneros groups have been organized, were able to provide a social and political battle on the one hand to the state and secondly to society, formailizándose, there are some unions that have now advanced, there are others that are worse ... but the state also ends to take care to say good invest to formalize the chain ...
AG: That's right, the drawing will have to be accompanied, say, if 80 percent or 70 percent say they are willing to separate in a future and says the system will obviously have to be accompanied with a lot of things ... not just give a uniform to each cartonero and social work (noise)
BC: ... yet is the challenge that way that integrates heterogeneous group informal census daily living and getting to feed themselves and their families every day to see how it is integrated in Montevideo we're seeing right now as it is formalizing the process Garbage collection not separated, and as an industry that is risky and that it is marginal as that of the pickers are further marginalizing and is suffering a situation of constant threat of criminalization ... then ... in what way will punish the formalization of what today is informal ... for me that is like the great challenge that, because then separate the waste, there will be some plants that have both paid with funds from the World Bank, there will be a very modern and fantastic plants, but all those people and all that lot of songs or hundreds of thousands of people every day of the informal gathering of how they are integrated into the system, or maybe it is not up, is that a private company directly is occupied ...
AG: Well, that's also a job that does all the time because there is also a sociological issue cartonero, which is not a person working in cooperatives by nature, that is not that originally appeared in groups of one hundred, two hundred, are people who went out alone, with their families ...
BC: In theory and 98 percent of the pickers working on the other hand ...
AG: Well, that's a challenge too, what was done in the Ceibo to achieve a cooperative is a successful example of how you can join, but not everyone wants to join ...
DP: The cartonero is a very convenient figure for the power, because it solves a part of one of the things, one of the shadows that have always all states, in this case the garbage, a of those things that they always send the margins, the outskirts, and then solves the one hand, well that cartonero is supposedly working on the street, because we live in a system in which only appreciates people who work, somehow get a better appreciation by the general population that villero, who goes there on the street, and in that sense as it is considered that at least out of what would be the danger or violence to a few people and well resolved, not resolved, but simply cover the issues in terms of what that population, but it has to do with the underlying problem of garbage ...
AG: I'm not saying we get to the point where the entire population of the city will see what we saw today, and by the way I make more than four, five years working on these issues and had never seen a landfill for the first time I actually have this shtick volume of 15,000 tonnes I write daily in all reports and I read in the newspapers. But I think that even that is not understood, until each one of us understands that we saw today, there is no way to value what they throw ... not to value what we throw away and knowing that we can be responsible in what we produce or to reduce what we generate, not to buy boxes and large for a ring, I say all these things are not going to be able to solve until you understand what the real circuit waste ...
Julián D'Angiolillo: You have to see the responsibility companies, because if everything is on the side of consumers ...
AG: ... but you're not going to deny that the neighbor, the consumer, is a source of power that is the main input from the manufacturer ...
JD: It's utopian a change from that side ...
BC: (noise) the reason for me, the cardboard they are related closely to the problem of garbage and I have tried to relate it ... is because the garbage generated goodwill ... or garbage is a value that most of the people as evidenced by the study, has no idea., is not aware of the value of waste, that is a non-recourse, and there is a group that produces capital gains through the trash and can survive ... today ... what is the cartonero, or cardboard. In Europe, in Spain, a number of companies who are aware of the value of waste and generate more capital gains thanks to the institutions that previously have settled as a series of waste separation systems so that businesses and give them the containers in a bag, separate them what can be recycled and generate more profit. Here, let's say that value is latent. The cartoneros more or less separate, and get get a return to a waste it is very difficult to recoup because it is all mixed. So that makes it much more difficult to monetize and generate more profit ... to simplify the danger it has the issue of business on the previous trip we did was a campaign Poster Wall Mart and Coca Cola, which were supposed to be concerned deeply about the environment and then made a call for people to take separate containers to Wall Mart, shopping centers, so that they would to do essential work for the environment. In reality what they are doing is getting a return of those containers, because that is a material that can be used and can be used to produce new packaging and are also asking those who will themselves, that moves and take him at the door of his house. So it is important that people be aware of what is garbage? Because in reality the trash too is a value, is a resource, and how that resource is capitalized? To me, it's the key, if capitalized and that goodwill is used to integrate within a system pickers and improve their living conditions and decent work more interesting, if that goodwill is capitalized and are useless, so that there are a number of private companies that generate revenue, because then I see it as more dubious ...
AG: What you were saying about the companies is absolutely true, there must be regulation on businesses because exactly what we said today which generates waste is responsible. It's yours. But while it instill the neighbors, we must inculcate companies. Because, for example in this application is the first time you move the onus on producers of batteries, Ponele. Although no batteries manufactured in Argentina. For the first time. But the pressure did not come from the brains of the government or companies or anyone else, came from the neighbors, or batteries together for ten years and say, companies do not give me ball, no ball gives us, what we do with batteries. Di Peco
Martin: Excuse me to interrupt, Andrew, wanted to introduce Marcelo Corti, developer and publisher of the magazine "Café of Cities" ... this problem you mention you on the pressure from neighbors, in this case on the treatment of battery is something positive. There are also forms of pressure from neighbors to share a bit more controversial, I am referring specifically to the movement "NIMBY" (not in my backyard) quintita conscious people and not allow the facility in their neighborhood centers and green cardboard waste treatment. A little of that, I had asked if we could count Marcelo some such moves, and if you have desire and time, we talk about the law of zero waste. Marcelo Corti
: Well thanks for that law to me it seems like so much else in the city of Buenos Aires that legislators adopt laws that promote the general happiness, immortality of the soul, the prohibition setbacks have love and then ... let the current government to implement them ... which from a technical point of view is quite simple because lesgislativa enough to know law. From the point of view of efficiency in the practical management has its problems. So the city has emergency for all, have emergency housing in the neighborhood of La Boca del Riachuelo, a lot of things, but very little effect in solving emergencies.
The law of zero waste, but to me that I am not an expert on garbage, I do not think a law is wrong, is a law that is clearly very ambitious ... but I can list some contradictions, eg Article 6 shows that by the year 2020, or here is a horizon of 11 years, a horizon at least for me ... quite immediately ... say ... 11 years passed fairly easy, at least when you spend fifty ... but for the year 2020 the disposal of recyclable materials will be recycled as well as prohibited, or generate waste ... shall be prohibited in Buenos Aires in 2020, something I could not disagree, but it has its consequences ... Article 54, however, contradicts a bit of that goal, he says that "... in the event achieved the goal of 75 percent reduction (...) will be evaluated include and disposal methods other technologies, including combustion, as long as they ensure the protection of human health and the environment ... ", or the picture shrink a bit ... but advanced by law, there is a theme sincerely is not resolved that is Article 58 which says that the little trick is a little of the matter, "the period specified in Article Six may be extended for a period of time equal to or below since the adoption of this law to approve the change of urban planning code that incorporates the type of use comparable to the central role of selection or green center. " Or, in a good Christian, green center is not built ... (noise)
H: I did not understand the sense of showing the contradiction within the law
zero waste ... MC: I think on the law of zero waste ...
H: No, but tell your opposition or do not understand your position. So, why show us the contradiction ...
MC: To say that the law has contradictions ...
H: No, I do not understand that the brand ...
MC: I was asked to speak of a law and the law found contradictions ...
H: No because maybe there are interesting things, I say ...
MC: Yes, it has very interesting things indeed I fencing is a law that seems to me it seems to me that would carry out a management effort by the government, this government, of whom he was preceded and follow him that I think not running or if you really want to meet the objectives of this law, it seems to me ... do not say "is a law for Switzerland," which is what usually says, "is a perfect law, but For Switzerland, it is for a society like ours, "no, I say, is a law, which is good, is perhaps too ambitious, but it is good that we have ambitions and let's get the batteries to go about this. I think ... I do not see or society Argentina or in political leadership and business leadership in an attitude that makes me assume that you are going to accomplish this, I think we are far away, on this controversy: consumer empowerment, corporate responsibility, responsibility government ... I think when we throw these things that "the fault of all is to not blame anyone and so you can continue. So I think that yes, there's a consumer responsibility, I here take the opportunity to answer some of what Martin said about this policy, this attitude of the neighbors, which is summarized in the phrase "not in my backyard" to be made things but not so in my neighborhood.
D: Yes ...
MC: In any neighborhood in the city of Buenos Aires where you want to or try to put a green center is a tremendous opposition from the neighbors ... and I think that part of an issue that some would say education ... it is primarily education, but I also have to apply the disciplinary matter of the state ... or state in this case the Government of the City and not necessarily the government, assumed no obligation to this society. If I were prime minister and I have a law that tells me that in 2020 I have to have no waste disposal would be moving heaven and earth to convince people and above all, to act on business. It is very funny to notice that they are happening now on television on plastic bags that pollute. The example that place, not if you saw the ad, is a lion of those of the Lion King, I think it's a cartoon where a lion comes out, choke on a plastic bag, and the lion head of the pack Lions are going to town to see what happens and the problem is that people go to grocery bags. Well, in Argentina, at least in Buenos Aires do not have many lions so it's a rather naive position in that sense ... but it is not naive by example is the advertisement that says: "We are all guilty "is everyone's responsibility" obviously that is "all": it is my responsibility but I take care of producing less waste, if I take the trash bag in such and such, but there is a core responsibility, which seems to me me, in any area of \u200b\u200blife, who most likely have, who have more power, more responsibilities are. The responsibility of having to fractions of millionths of a millionth of a fraction is about who has a political or economic power. In this sense he not much more than eleven years, not much more than the time available to us to meet the final objectives zero waste law, there were ads where for example the issue of disposable plastic containers was presented as an advantage for the consumer, or as a benefit to the consumer. Mineral water containers were disposable soft or something that allowed you to use and throw, as a great benefit, I say, no more than ten years, much of the period we need to comply with the law period trash zero (noise) If you look at the media, it seems that the only problem of Argentina is insecurity, the ecological problem, the problem of garbage do not occupy any place on the agenda of the media .... (Noise) I am very pessimistic that can be law enforcement in these conditions, where taking out the trash in a different form appears to be a cool thing to do, not a cool thing, is to stand up in front of a red light, is well educated we are and what understand what it means to comply with certain laws but at some point, I regret to say, but you must meet the state's coercive power and, I say, for me the state's coercive power must be applied in principle to those most able to ... when we have achieved that supermarkets are not only enliven and we ask him to carry the bag us to not be the ones responsible for the generation of waste but actually in their packaging systems, We provide the bags are made from biodegradable materials, etc. well then we can begin to ask the man who takes away a little more responsibility. In that, I say there's a pecking order, and there is a hierarchy of powers, by acting on the most responsible, we are likely after downloading to other levels of society. And finally, I agree with something that was said here, say, all the problems of society and involving the city will, then obviously from resolving the problem of garbage is not going to solve the problem of poverty, that is, that's fine, I think it's fantastic that cartonero has become an urban recovery, which has been milled, a boy to make sure you go to school, having a social work, etc ... But ultimately, we can not ask to solve the garbage problem which also solves the problem of poverty in Argentina. I think you can contribute something that is simply create environmental waste is transformed into an economic activity, but we can not pretend that the whole problem of exclusion of Argentina society is resolved by transforming the urban garbage pickers in because there is no such a need for urban garbage as people cartonero need to work there, then the solution will come by other side.
Rubén Lorenzo: We are waiting in the Ceibo ...
MDP: We have to go now?
RL: Well, we can continue here thing ... why the driver also warns that half-past four he has to go ...
MDP: Well ...
RL: Lack also Mauricio Mauricio Corbalan
submitted: Yes
MDP: it starts and continue in the shed ...?
RL: Dale
MC: Well, my name is Mauricio Corbalan, I am part of an organization called M7red. We do research in which we are trying to figure out or trying to build is like a problem or an urban political conflict a situation that reaches the public sphere, in that sense we are interested in determining the level by which a matter becomes public and specifically we're trying to attempt a dialogue process with a Ministry of Environment of the Municipality of Buenos Aires (noise) this political division, social, legal, which arms the government of the City of Buenos Aires with the area known as the Buenos Aires metropolitan area, where the issue of waste management is perhaps one of the more contentious because now appearing above has to do with that of invisibility, the law of zero waste is quite interesting in that regard because I think which is made more for waste management is done in the city of Buenos Aires rather than on the management of Greater Buenos Aires, in what in my view, and I wanted to talk a bit, I seem to have much to do with a sense of citizenship building very specific. And where waste also plays a neutral role in which everything seems to be under the same conditions to generate and even part of the chain that gun away. I recently read in the magazine just does Marcelo, Raquel Rolnik a phrase that is the director of UN Habitat, no? Well, I had a phrase that in Latin America, one of the most interesting challenges is often a formality intended to consolidate, through the practices of citizenship, but sometimes you have to work in environments that are heterogeneous in the sense that there are totally different dynamic that seems to be integrated under a single format. It seems to me that the Law of Zero Waste has to do with that, right? As if people in Greater Buenos Aires, not surveyed, including ghost towns of more than 100,000 people living in cities, living on garbage management, do not even appear in the register of those municipalities, then, places where there are sewers, where you can not resolve certain issues minimally inclusion in what would be called urban fabric ... the scale of waste management is completely different because even those communities have to waste management for reasons of survival, I mean in the sense of living with the garbage in a very different taking out the trash in a place where there is a garbage collection. It's very different where there is not even the way to enter the truck to produce the collection of waste. But I think that as the policy projection system that always works saying well, there is a threshold that in twenty thirty years is going to solve, because it advances a project seems to me that the challenge is not long term The challenge is short term how to manage all this level of heterogeneity, where there are actors involved in a very different from a universe that seems simply to draw on the contingency of being included or not. I'm trying to monitor such practices and how these actors emerge. One of the most interesting is that the world of cardboard made visible something that no formal citizen of the city of Buenos Aires was in charge, the issue of garbage was visible in the middle of a crisis, and the city of Buenos Aires was formatted after a crisis, a crisis such as yellow fever, which resulted in fifty years of urban hygiene, for which the city of Buenos Aires has the form you have. I think garbage like what is now part of those things that are no longer an object but are like a network (noise) but there is something that interests me a lot of garbage that has to do with this ability to make visible a lot of systems that make more waste is no longer an object, in the sense that it is not something that can be treated as an object, but an integrated system, ranging from regulatory, political, logistics, territorial patterns, I think that garbage is a rather condensed in which today you can see that certain objects, we can not just talk about an issue of where to bring them, is a matter of if that will be defined as citizens of this world a hundred years that kind of responsibility is going to fit into the environmental discussion to every citizen, I say, why someone who is supposed marginal in the process of garbage has a place so prevalent as cartonero, if one measured the incidence of environmentally cartonero the cartonero is a model citizen, and people living in urban areas is not much better (noise) in this whole rating system, there are more political dynamic in the sense of actors who come into a conflict that exceed the problem of constructing a formal citizenship, inclusion of these new systems are not based on a formal model of citizenship where it always seems that day will come, someday will be completed someday everyone will be included in the same way and will meet the same standards and technology will understand the situation from a consensus view ... I think it's a dynamic that leads to failure. As you can not with this, then you need to remedial action, because it will never reach this ideal system.
MDP: Sorry to cut you ...
MC: if ...
MDP: we going, because we have to go
MC: yes, give
RL: Well, we can go there with him talking
Lucas Gilardi: Part ...
(laughs)
B: together all
D: Well there's a bin ...
F: separate?
M: will it all together, right?
L: Ask Ruben ...
D: No, leave it here so that someone else pick it up someone, heh ...
F: Here is plastic and steel ...
B: with ice and everything ...
D: yes, no matter ... thanks ... FIN
transcribe by Juan Manuel Di Peco, March 28, 2009. Andrew Grippo
is communicator, Environmental Protection Agency
http://www.buenosaires.gov.ar/areas/med_ambiente/proteccion_ambiental/ Buenos Aires Marcelo Corti
is an architect, editor of the magazine "Coffee Cities "www.cafedelasciudades.com.ar Mauricio Corbalan
is an architect, co-director of the group "m7red" www.m7redes.blogspot.com
www.basurama.org
www.rallyconurbano.com.ar - www.rally-conurbano.blogspot.com
This rally was part of the cycle of actions and events co-organized Basurama in Buenos Aires from 15 to 19 March 2009, as part of its investigation RUS Solid Waste, supported by the AECI.
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